Transcript - Ray
Transcribed on 1 Apr 2002
Below is a transcript of a talk that was given by a member of the Almighty
Latin King and Queen Nation to a classroom of college students who were
taking a class on the History of Chicago Gangs.
"Rey": So 1985 the dynamics of gangs in the city of Chicago
were really really interesting because in reality as an organization a
lot of them were only 5, 5 to maybe 8 years at the most being completely
oriented somewhere. And what I mean by that is literature, by-laws, code
of conduct, purpose, points, that type of thing. So people were still
trying to feel each other out, trying to figure out what was going to
work what way. Around that time the Folk Nation, (which is comprised of
Latin Disciples, Spanish Cobras, Two Six, and a variety of other gangs)
had a little problem between Latin Disciples and the Spanish Cobras and
from there its been hell ever since. They fight amongst themselves.
On the People side, you have what used to be Latin Kings, the Black Peacestones,
Vice Lords, 4Corner Hustlers, Familia Stones which used to be PR Stones,
and variety of other people. Now Latin Kings left the People Nation. Cause
there could be People and there could be Folks but were gonna be
Latin Kings. And the reason behind that, which is probably the smartest
move that the organization did or pulled, was because the Vice Lords got
into some trouble and it was mandatory that everybody under that flag
had to ride with them and fight against whoever they were fighting against.
So the Vice Lords lost somebody to the Gangster Disciples and we had nothing
to do with it, we dont even have Gangster Disciples around us, we
had to go at it with them because of our nationship. So we decided to
leave that and said you know what were losing guys based on you
guys fucking up. And we aint doing it no more, and we left. And
it was a hard move. Lots of people died for it. Lots of people purposely
went to jail, to the penitentiary, caught a year maybe two years in the
penitentiary, to make the transition. So that People understood that the
Latin Kings will not ride under one umbrella. Okay? And since then were
grown to maybe about double our size. Only because People have been able
to see that.
Now. Some of you might think Im full of shit and I dont have
a problem with that. We all have our opinions and we all have our perspective
of life. If you choose not to listen and not to agree with what Im
saying, there isnt a wrong with that. But remember, the only road
to wisdom is by listening and by accepting what other people living. And
theres a lot of that going around right now because of September
11th. All of the sudden were interested in Islam, in Muslims, and
we have to learn that tolerance, and this is somewhat of the same thing.
Because we are a population that society doesnt give a shit about.
I could get shot in the middle of the street and if people turned around
and said oh hes a gang member, aw fuck him, he deserved it, he had
it coming. Weve chosen as a society as a whole to throw away hundreds
of thousands of youth. Literally just throw em away. Because of an affiliation.
Why do gangs exist? Well I was on the internent last night, and I, you
know, I went to Ask Jeeves.com see what they told me right. So I get all
this stuff you know and when I look at it theres quite a few sites
government sites and national organization sites that say that
the gangs started in the 1980s. Mid 70s, 80s. The worst
gang violence that took place in this country was in New York around the
1880s, 1890s. And it was against an Irish and Jewish gang.
100 people died. Men, women, children, police officers, everybody. Anybody
that got caught in Central Park that day died. That was the worst case
of gang violence that has ever been reported in this country. So when
you think about that youre like man, this was before the turn of
the century, how much further back does it really go. And the basis of
gangs is the basis of poverty and racism. When you have poverty and racism,
inequality, lack of a stable economic base in the community, youre
gonna have gangs whether you like it or not. Nowadays they just so happen
to be black and latinos. Why? Because were the ones that have the
lack of economics in our community. Some people say you know pull yourself
up by your own bootstraps right and we always say, well what if we dont
got boots. Then what? You know. And theres never a response to that.
Im not here to justify anything that has happened because yeah there
are bad people in these gangs. There are people that kill, there are people
that sell drugs, thats without a doubt. I always tell my guys and
guys from other organizations. If you get caught for doing something,
dont come asking for help unless theyre trying to add on some
shit to you. If you got caught for murder, do the time man. Theres
nothing I can do about that. What do you want me to do? Pull out 30, 40000
dollars and get you off the hook? You got caught with the guns in your
hand and they can verify that you did it, you did it, what you want me
to do? Some guys will say, no no you gotta get me out, at least help em
get out of the country, go somewhere, do something. You know. That does
happen and Im not gonna deny it but guess what? It happens in the
police department and it happens in our government. Local, state, county,
federal government. Same thing happens. Its just that were
looked upon as the bad people because when you walk outside your house
you see it. You cant walk into a police station and see that. You
cant walk into the Capitol. Its all done behind closed doors.
Okay? A lot of the gang leaders that exist now are very aware of all the
bullshit thats going on. Are you guys, how many people know what
Cointelpro is? Very very important in the history of gangs counter
intelligence thats what that is. What they did in Latin America.
Well here they made it smaller and brought it into the inner cities, to
attack the Black Panther party, to attack Young Lords and a variety of
other organizations out there, even the Brown Berets. And its a
conspiracy and I know people that are leery about conspiracy theories.
Yeah. And its something that just had its rebirth at September
11th you know. The anti-terrorism law is a horrible horrible law. I mean,
I understand what theyre trying to do, how they are trying to look
at people, but you know, its 300, like 375 pages long. In page 212
youll find something that youre like holy shit youre
kidding. In Vieques, do people know Vieques, Puerto Rico, the whole thing
about you know the bombing and the shelling over there. Well within that
document theyre saying that if somebody were to grab a pair
of scissors and snip that bomb wire from the US military base, they will
consider that an act of terrorism. Okay. Why is it that people that are
trying to fight for survival are being targeted as terrorists and bad
Definitions for gangs. Anybody have a dictionary in here by chance? No?
Okay. Cause the last one I found was from 1990. In 1959, Websters
New World Dictionary, college edition, says gangs: group of people associated
together in some way specifically stating, a group of workers directed
by a foreman, b. an organized group of criminals, c. a squad of convicts
at work, d. a group of children or youth from the same neighborhood banded
together for social reasons. Okay, thats 1959. World Book Encyclopedia,
1980 edition. Gang: it was kind of long so I just want to get at a paragraph.
Refers to an informal organized group of persons. It usually applies to
groups of men or boys who perform acts that are either against the law
or on the borderline. Certain kind of gangs exist in the United States,
especially in large cities. Then at the end of it, it says see also Al
Capone and John Dillinger. Websters New World Dictionary again 1990.
New definition was just cut. Says gangs: a group of people working or
acting together. Specifically a group of criminals or juvenille delinquents.
Thats it. From 1959 to 1990, that definition went like this. From
a much longer paragraph to one sentence: bam. Why is that? Why is it that
in 1980, especially 1980, the definition changed? Here in the United States
we had the FALN that came up the Puerto Rican Liberation
I forget what FALN stands for. ____ ____ ____ something. And there is
a lot of bonds being formed at that time.
The Latin Kings were associates of the FALN to some extent. As soon as
they started talking about bombings, then I just, I bombed us out at 315
___. Cause I was talking here, and I said man why did the FALN and the
Latin Kings have animosity against each other. I made a few phone calls,
cause this was bothering me and I found out. It was because when the FALN
said hey we got these bombs and we want to do something, Latin Kings said
no thank you and they backed away. And this brother there I was talking
to he was like 40 years old, he said the reason we pulled away was because
the Latin Kings would not exist today if we took part in it. Which is
true. Cause if you look at the people from the FALN, Clinton before he
left office, released about 11 of them you know. And its true the
FALN does not exist today. You know it exists in intellectual minds but
it does not exist as an organization because of Cointtelpro, because of
the Red Squad. Does anybody know what the Red Squad is? Red Squad. <chuckle>
No, well. The Red Squad was a group of Chicago Police Officers and FBI
agents and their sole purpose was to infiltrate and corrupt organizations.
Thats how Fred Hampton died, because of the Red Squad. Thats
why the Young Lords got disbanded because of the Red Squad. You see Chicagos
not only the School of Architecture and the School of Organizing but also
the School of Corruption. Thats the one part that nobody wants to
talk about. Mayor Richard J Daley, I call him Papa Daley for fun. He was
part of an Irish gang growing up. And he learned politics in the City
of Chicago could only be handled one way with intimidation. Thats
the only way politics are gonna succeed. Till today. Bill Clinton when
he ran for office, and when Al Gore was talking about running for office.
Who do you think they called first? The Sonny, Richard M Daley, hey you
know kind of like asking what they should do, and what do you think? The
vice president of the United States and the President of the United States
had to call the Mayor of the city of Chicago to ask. Why? Because in this
city a lot of things happen that you guys dont know about. Why do
I know about it? Because gangs play a part in it. We have somebody thats
running for governor for this state on the Democratic setting. He so happens
to be the son-in-law of an alderman on the northwest side of Chicago.
Well that alderman is very deeply involved with the Latin Disciples. Thats
the only reason this governor, democratic nominee governor, has made it
to where hes landed. Because hes had unlimited funds by the
street and drug dealers supplying that money, okay? The problem I have
with that is that, if you put your face on TV and talk shit and go back
and do this, then you know what youre part of this gang and whatever
happens to you oh fucking well.
Cause Ill tell you something, all of us on this side of the fence,
we want shit to stop. We wish we didnt have to go through what we
had to go through. We tired of burying people. Is it in our hands? No
its not. Because weve seen and weve done it many times.
We reduce the violence and we reduce all the graffitti and when we stop
everything and we stop drug dealers from selling, we still go to jail.
It continues to happen. Why? Because of the Red Squad. The Red Squad supposedly
officially ended in 1976, it came out in the newspaper. You know everybody
said hey its over its not happening again. In 1996 it came
out in the newspaper in the Chicago Tribune that it really ended in 1983.
Then another report came out not too long ago saying well we think it
still might be active but in a minimal way. I have at least 3 or 4 close
relatives, two of them that are in jail for no reason. I mean its
not, theyre not there because they did something but because they
were set up
. One guy in particular, he was out, been in jail for 20 some odd years.
I think he did his time. And he told me, he said Rey, I do not want to
be around anybody on any bullshit. I dont want to deal with anything.
I just want to get a job, do my thing, and go home. Cause I cant
violate my parole anymore. He was doing pretty good for about 6 months.
Got a job at a shop. Working hard. Working 10 12 hours a day. The FBI
in, they dont want gang leaders out on the street, the mythical
ones at least. You know they dont want them out there because theyre
afraid that were going to be glorifying him like him personally
like wow he can do a lot of things. So its the whole chopping the
head off. So what did the FBI do? They broke into this shop in the middle
of the night, planted about 15 bricks of cocaine, broke out of the place,
sat on the place until the morning came. Morning came and hes walking
in and it so happened the guy that theyre using as an informant
and now hes travelling the country as an informaant, getting a lot
of people in trouble, decides to cool by this guys house and say,
hey I was just driving, you want a ride to work? He didnt think
anything of it. Hey now bro lets go its all right. You want
some coffee? Yeah sure. They walk in and they sit down. Two seconds later,
hey got you! Okay for what? Well you just sit right there. FBI did its
run through the little maze. They get to the back and say oh look at this
cocaine! Youre in trouble mister. Trouble for what? For attempted
distribution of __ product, controlled substance. What are you talking
about? Theyre like oh dont play stupid we know you placed
that back there. Placed what? So they took him over there, made him lift
the rag or whatever that was over it, and said you see? He showed us where
it was at. They wanted to give him life. For nothing. Luckily enough the
federal defender, public defender, knew it was bullshit because he had
noticed that when they brought out the drugs, he realized it was tagged
by the DEA. <laughter> he didnt say anything. He went back
and your honor you know I want the prosecution to talk a little bit more
about these drugs and how they were confiscated. Well the Federal Buerau
of Investigation and some Chicago Police Officers blah blah. Okay okay.
Was the DEA involved at any time? No why? You know the FBI took care of
it. So it never left your hands? Never. So why does it say DEA, a sticker
that says DEA behind this? Uhhh
. So happened that there was a drug
lord down about maybe three or four other courtrooms down that they were
having a case where the drug that the DEA caught him with and they were
just borrowing it right out for a minute. Killed two birds with one stone.
You know. You tell me if you wouldnt be pissed off. Going to jail.
After you just finished doing 25 years. Tell me youre not. And when
people find out people get more upset. you walk into a community and there
is nothing in these communities.
Theres, if you look at Humboldt Park, youve got two side
ends divided by Sacramento, Sacramento and Humboldt Boulevard. The east
side of Humboldt Park is primarily Latin Folks, Latin Disciples, the Spanish
Cobras, Dragons, Gents, and I dont know who else is over there.
They all grew up, same bush there. On the west side of it, its us,
all Latin Kings. When people talk about west Humboldt Park and theyll
show you map and theyll say oh the west Humboldt Park area, theyll
skip over the Latin Kings territory, which is Kedzie, between Kedzie and
Central Park, Grand and Arlington St. And theyll skip over it and
theyll say over here in west Humboldt Park, well what are we? You
know? In that area you cannot build anything that requires a building
permit without alderman Billy Ocasio signing off on it personally. Why
did he do that? Because a lot of the older guys that were trying to get
out of all this bullshit were trying to open up businesses. Legitimate
businesses. Was it drug money? Yeah. So fucking what? Sos Merchandise
Mart. Merchandise Mart was built on the Kennedys money from bootlegging.
Thats why the Merchandise Mart lives. But does anybody say anything
no because now we can drink liquor and all get drunk and be happy about
it. So while these guys were trying to build something. Billy Ocasio and
Luis Guttierez noticed that. And mind you the reason they dont like
us is because one of them used to be a Latin Disciple and the other one
used to be a Gent. So they used to be Folks and they still have animosity
against Latin Kings years and years after. But when they need to get elected
who do they come to? They come to the Latin Kings because they need this
little area to vote from. We help em out in exchange for jobs. And those
are the back street politics that are played in this city. Everywhere.
Right now I can guarantee, I could almost put my life on it that theres
some politician or commissioner somewhere making a deal that if everybody
found out about it, itd be over. Itd be the end of their career.
Right now as we speak. And at the same time there might be someone getting
shot, stabbed, jumped or involved in a gang fight. How is it that all
this exists? Why is it that it clearly exists? And I go back to talking
about the racism and the poverty within this city. Its a plan that
was developed. They thought about it and they said how are we gonna get
people, we gotta migrate people out of certain areas, and that helped
create a lot of the situation that exists today.
The Latin Kings were a small organization when they first started and
there were nothing but street gangs in the city of Chicago in the 1950s
but people only concentrate about the blacks and the Latinos because it
was during the civil rights movement and thats the focus. But at
the same time there were a lot of Polish gangs, and Jewish gangs. A variety,
a variety of gangs all over the city. The difference is that the Caucasian
groups of the gangs were already set on the track of being politicians,
commissioners, police officers and everything. We were set on a track
of poverty. Were not gonna get all this shit. The Humboldt Park
community used to be a very strong and thriving Jewish community. It had
maybe about 75 Jewish temples in the Humboldt Park community. You walk
into Humboldt Park now and you wont find one at all. Because when
the Latinos were moved out of Lincoln Park into Humboldt Park the Jewish
community so whoa hang on, what the fuck just happened. You know? The
African Americans were trailing right behind us, a little bit further
south. Jewish community said fuck this, knock the buildings down, were
leaving. And they left. 50000 people left in one year alone and started
Sagonash Village up on the north side where its Bill Daley lives.
Thats Peterson and roughly between Pulaski and Cicero. So they and
that community had already existed but they came and they said lets
build. You know? So the economics were yanked out of this community. Grocery
stores, gas stations, everything you need to live on a daily basis was
yanked. Imagine living in a neighborhood where you cant buy groceries.
Jump in the car, drive, like you in the suburbs. When you are in the dead
center of the city. And then at that which grocery store you had to go
to. You couldnt just walk into a Domincks and say. And by
the way Dominicks is a franchise of the Italian mafia in case yall
didnt know. So the next time you shop there why do you think its
called Dominicks? Okay. <laughter> you couldnt walk
into Dominicks. you black you latino you cant walk into it.
Jewel maybe. CertaSavers fuck, heres the red carpet come on in.
Aldy come on in. you know. So when you put all these things together you
create an environment that just breeds a lot of hatred and a lot of anger
and thats where were at today. Youve got a bunch of
pissed off people that dont appreciate whats been done to
them. Can we take responsibility for what we do? Of course. I make them
do it every day. I take responsibility for the dumb shit that I do. Cause
I sometimes get off the wagon and say man fuck him, you know? <laughter>
I dont try to kill nobody. But I stop halfway and say you know I
cant hurt that brother. I cant. you know I cant. cause
then Im going against what Im about. But the feeling and the
angers still there. Within myself. Whats the process of moving
out of this? Thats something this countrys not willing to
do. Plain and simple. Theyre not willing to do it. Were all
Americans at September 11th . And Ive been told dont apply
here. (cant hear) so thats where Im at. Now theyre
denying me an income. Because Im Latin King. Because I speak my
The spokesperson for the White House, I forget it, Erie
He said after Bill Mahre made his comments, I think we both heard what
Bill Mahre was kind of saying in October. This guy said well you know
Americans now need to watch what they say and what they do because we
dont have time for this. So weve gone to the good old US of
A into what American policy hates. Cuba, China, Soviet Union, the old
Soviet Union, we become that, we become a dictatorship out in the open.
Weve always know it existed, they just bluntly said something about
it now. Why cant we fix this? Its because theres a lot
of issues out on the table. Id rather live in Israel to tell you
the truth. Because theyre fighting based on some kind of principle
that two people really strongly feel about. Thats worth a fight.
Do I agree with whats going on? Hell no. but there is a solid basis
of principle that theyre fighting about. Thats worthy. Here,
its based on money. Thats not worthy. Thats not even
a principle. And thats where we find ourselves sitting. And where
gangs exist, and you probablly yall didnt expect to hear all
this, but gangs exist because we desire them to exist. We need them to
be there. To unload our frustrations, to unload our angers, to make ourselves
feel good. And when you get that AOL and Microsoft little cds in
the mail, who do you think packaged them? Prisoners. All over the country.
Cause Bill Gates said one day, he said you know, itd be great to
send every home in America a cd. Thats a fucking great idea. And
they looked at the numbers they said eh we cant. we cant build
a plant just to send cds out. And what, and hopefully theyll
sign on. Federal government said you know we only have to pay our prisoners
4 cents on the hour, you build the plant well provide the workers.
Oh okay. So every time you grab it just know that its been in the
hands of a convicted criminal. Okay? And thats how this country
works and thats our policy. Do I love this country yes. Do I benefit
from it? Every single day. But Im willing to sacrifice to make a
change and help it grow. Do I pledge of allegience? No I will not. Will
I fight for this country? Not unless were invaded. Because my house
aint getting blown up by nobody. <laughter> but the policies
that this country has decided to take on does not reflect its foreign
policy. Its foreign policy is very strict against other countries.
You cant do this, you cant do that, you need to provide people
this and close that shit down. But when you look inside everything theyre
criticizing everybody about exists. So theyre foreign policy does
not reflect their foreign policy at all. And that needs to happen in order
for a country to remain successful. Whats the problem with China
and the old Soviet Union? Is they would say fuck you and fuck you. They
tell their own people and the people outside, you got a problem with me?
Its my country. You want to fight for it? Lets go. Lets
do this. And that was too bloody. People couldnt deal with it. They
said whoa. Its a little crazy, you know. And theres an extremity
of things, theres an extremity on both sides. And Clinton had said
we want a color blind society. Thats the biggest racist comment
you could ever make as a white person. Cause man you just removed yourself
from being responsible of being a racist of doing things against certain
people because of their nationality, their creed, their sex orientation,
whatever. Rather you want a colorful society so that we may benefit from
every color. Wouldnt that be better? Wouldnt it be better
if we could all just say man lets talk about something else. Lets
talk about how were gonna get our degrees, move on and create a
business thats gonna help the community thats gonna help people
evolve. Around the world. Thatd be great. Id love it. But
we cant, peoples just too stuck on our ignorance when we deal
with ourselves in general. You know. In the 1960s mayor Daley, Papa
Daley, said you know lets get ready for the 21st century. So he
got a bunch of new people together, business men, and said lets
create a plan, lets call it plan 21. Were gonna make Chicago
number 1 by the 21st century. I may not be there with you but somebody
will. And sure enough. It was a whole move to gentrification. Moving people
out of Lincoln Park. Now Id be pissed of if I could go to Lincoln
Park and move two blocks away. Make me move into Humboldt Park. Got kicked
out. Into Humboldt Park. Lincoln Park was the first phase. Why do you
I dont know if you guys watch PBS but theyve got
all these shows on Chicago and older Chicago and all these buildings that
they tore down and everything. That was part of the plan. Was to create
an enormous skyline for Chicago at the lakefront so that the world could
just ah what a beautiful city. And it started from there in at Lincoln
Park and it spread out. And basically its just a half circle around
the downtown area. You got here, you got Edgewater up here and youve
got Bronzeville down here. And everything in that circle has been gentrified.
Why a half circle? Well because if any of yous ever been to Paris
or are planning on going to Paris, all the rich people live here and as
you do this it gets poorer and poorer, lot poorer. And on the outskirts
of Paris youll find all the housing projects, all the worst of the
worst as they say and thats the concept that this citys run
on. Now they have a new group that Richey Boy, thats my pet, he
hates it. He doesnt appreciate it, in case youre wondering.
He said okay well lets create a plan to move through the millennium
and now theres a group. I dont know the Chicago Millennium
or Millennium Project something like that. But they have every company
you can think of involved in this and its to improve Chicago for
the future. So I know that by the time Im in my 50s and 60s
Im gonna be still fighting the same fight. Because theres
gonna be more gentrification and more problems, more poverty, more lack
of opportunity in the city, particularly in the inner city. And its
a continuing fight. Do I mind? No. I like it. I enjoy. Cause Ive
come to understand that Chicago represents two things. It represents corrupt
politics or political ethics, and its always been a gang __ ___.
If you cant deal with that. Get out. Cause youre gonna have
to deal with it at one point or another. Chicago Police Department theyre
little headbands, the black and white, you know it looks like little Taxi,
they all look like little taxi cabs. Why do you think that exists? Does
anybody know whats the significance of that? Why you know why would
you put a checkerboard around your hat? No? Nobody? Its an old insignia
of an Irish gang back in Ireland. That was their insignia and they adapted
it. They adapted it here in Chicago cause theres a large Irish population
in the City of Chicago. Thats why were very close with the
Kennedys and a lot of certain mob boss figures out there. They used
to be a
and it was because of that. So they said hey nobody knows.
Except us. We know. We know what the insignia means so. Lets unify
under that. And they did and it still exists. And its an outrage.
Thats why we all insist youre a bunch of gang bangers too,
fuck you. Cause its the truth. And they know about it. You think
anyones gonna say anything about it? Nobodys gonna say one
word about it. Because now its become history. Its not a gang
issue anymore. Its history. But what type of history? Its
a very very very violent history. You dont have half the shit happen
today that used to happen back then. Back then boy, I wouldnt have
wanted to live back in those times. Turn of the century, city of Chicago,
it was horrible. Just walk by, oh shit a dead body man. You dont
have that happening nowadays. You have stuff that happens where kids get
shot, people in general just gets shot and its a horrible thing.
No one should be walking on the street and get hit by a stray bullet,
I agree. And you know if you want to call em ethics or not. We always
tell the guys, you gonna go shoot somebody you make sure you shoot that
mother fucker. Kill him that way. When you find out that bullet went and
hit somebody else, Im coming after you. Ill be done. And thats
our justice. Does it justify anything? No it doesnt. Am I unique
in my perspective within the organization? Yes. Are there many that think
the way I think? No. but because I do this, they know, you know. I always
call em hey Im going to UIC Im gonna do something. K, is there
somebody in the room? They might be affiliated or friends of, you know.
The other day there is this guy this and that, so Im kind of covering
my ass by making that phone call. And I got to. And they know it. And
they was like man Rey, man let him know, let him know how it is. You know.
And thats what Im trying to do. Im trying to educate
you. Ive lost job opportunities, Ive lost friends, a lot of
things for doing this. Cause down the road eventually maybe some of you
and I will attract in some way or another. You know we might bump into
each other at a club. Id like to see your reaction then. <laughter>
we might be at a seminar, you know. We might end up working for the same
company you never know. And youll have a heads up of what Im
about. And youll see me quiet, I wont say anything while Im
at work, yeah Im okay thats cool. Hey you think you can handle
this gang problem. Im gonna try. Ill try like a mother fucker.
Come on give me the phone number, Ill take care of it, you know.
And its a difficult thing to do but Im showing you that I
have nothing to hide. Have I shot at people? Yes. Have I ever killed anybody?
No. That I know for a fact. I never killed anybody. Cause when I usually
shot at people that just did it to scare em. You know heres a little
nick to remember, dont fuck with me. And Im not into killing
people. Theres no point in it. It doesnt resolve anything.
I became really good friends with the leader of the Spanish Cobras to
the point that I was showing up at his house. Guide me through a Spanish
Cobra neighborhood. Get there, draped in black and gold, baseball cap
all the way to the left and everybodys like whos this fucking
guy? I got this jogging suit from Puma and mind you these corporations
they play on the whole thing. Cause why did Puma have to come out with
only black and gold like a work out suit and right here on the left side
it said Puma King. And Im like hey its a nice little <laughter>
so I walk into their neighborhood like this and theyre freaking
out. And one of them will say I bet you hes a King lover, hes
a King Man, hes walking up in here. And whats up Folks? ______
Man but I aint Folks. But Ill shake his hand. Youll
be like uh huh. Were like one, okay were waiting for you to
say something else. What do you want me to tell you? Something that you
already know that Im a Latin King. Ah man, get you out of here man.
You know they get frustrated and then they see their chief, the main guy
for the whole organization whats up? Have a seat, have my seat.
All right cool man, so whats going down? So whats going on?
I just came to shoot the shit. Twenty Spanish Cobras on the doorstep all
looking at me like, and I know what theyre thinking, catch this
mother fucker in a mall or something. Catch him out on the street Im
gonna have my way with him and oh well. And it hasnt now. And I
bumped into some of them out in the street festivals. And everything theyll
look at me theyll be like whats up bro? And keep walking.
Why? Because Im showing them respect. I show them respect saying
I am who I am, accept me for who I am. We protected their founder all
over this country. Wherever he has touched down on thereve been
Latin Kings, weve said guard that mother fucker. Make sure nothing
happens to him. Treat him as a King. Why? Because he and a high ranking
member of The Latin Kings became really good friends at Stateville Pennitentiary.
Or whenever that King goes anywhere around the country and theres
Spanish Cobras, they say hey protect that nigger like hes a Spanish
Cobra. People get pissed off but thats our way of dealing with each
other. And its a very unique relationship and its a hard thing
to maintain. Because once the police found out that we were like buddy
buddy I mean we were like having Sunday dinners going taking each other
out, going to the movies. You know so we could talk and mingle and try
to work issues out. Cause we had to build our relationship, we had to
build that relationship in order for peace to come out at that end. Once
the police found out that was going on it took em but a second to put
an informant among us and had somebody shot. It took them a second. Now
were kinda like. <whisper> hey brother. Ill let you
know what. We gotta work our issues out. They gotta work their issues
out. Sometimes I got, you know, I got paged by the FBI once cause I had
called somebody and I said yo anytime you need me do this and put this
code right behind it. Soon as I hung up, get in my car, driving, beepers
going off, oh shit already? What happened? I pulled over but its
a 312 area, 312 411 1333 I think is the FBI switchboard. And I memorized
it so that when I see that number I can be like fuck you. And I call back
and theyre like, and the guy on the phones laughing FBI
and I could see all of them standing around the phone he called
back that, he called back really quick. And I said man somebody
paged me from there. You know and Im thinking it could be one of
my guys that went down there and they let em call me or theyre just
fucking with me. But I want to show them that I really dont care.
Ill call you back. What? They said hold on real quick. Gets back
on the line. I said you need to hurry up cause my 59 seconds are up. Im
letting them know how long it takes for them to track phone lines find
out where Im at. I said you know what Ill tell you where Im
at. Im at the corner of this and this okay. What do you want? Have
you ever cooperated with the Federal Bureau.. I said mother fucker no.
No. He trying me on tape to say something you know and I aint playing
that game. Ive been pulled over. Ive been showed pictures.
Why you doing this? Why you doing that? I havent spent a day in
jail. Because they know that Im not any bullshit. I understand the
politics of this city very well. You gonna get in some shit. Deal with
it, you better deal with it. And if you cant, run. And Im
talking about gangs, politics, police, everything, this whole city operates.
Boy I tell you if you guys could see half the shit Ive seen you
wouldnt believe it and youd be like nah you know. Youd
share some of my opinions about certain things. And its a tough
thing to do but since they know that I cant maneuver from there
and Im not afraid to come here and tell you, they dont know
what to do with me. I had an FBI agent of September 9th of last year pulled
me over on the expressway. What? And he told me, I dont know. Jack
if you dont fucking know then why you pulling me over. Im
like shit, what? Im late. You gotta go to your meeting right? I
said yeah mother fucker you wanna escort me to it? What, what do you want?
You know youre just giving us a headache. Im like why cause
youre sitting like a fucking idiot in the van down the street from
my crib? Listen, oh say something say something. Taking pictures in the
cold in the hot sun, come on. Let me see a badge let me see something.
And nothing and theyre, and I, its not my fault your boss
is a fucking idiot. Youre watching nobody. Im Mr. Nobody to
you. Cause Im not involved in anything. You want me youre
gonna have to come after all of us. And you dont got the balls to
do it. Cause they know and Ive told this to a lot of people in groups
that I shouldnt have said it, with police officers present, I said
yall a bunch of little cowards because if it came down to it that
it was between you and me you know youd lose because I will doctor
my ___ you gonna dive for that badge, nope. I bet you if I told you I
want to kill you because of that badge you gonna be like
want to die too? heres my billy club. Youre gone.
Cause you aint willing to die for it. And its not because
Im willing to die for a gang but because Im willing to die
for the purpose of progress to improve my peoples situation, other
peoples situation and for the betterment of our community. We lost
that years ago because of Cointelpro, because of the Red Squad. Once you
catch a virus its hard to kick. And a lot of these guys are an continue
to be involved in the drug trade. And sometimes I laugh when I see a,
and I do, I really try to watch CrimeWatch as much as possible to see
if I know anybody on there and they did a reverse sting on somebody and
I started laughing because these fuckers must have heard what I said.
Cause we had a conference with all the major gang leaders in the city
of Chicago, beginning of last year. Were all talking this and that
and they say all right Rey what you got to say? Hey you all read the newspaper.
There was a sting that they did on the west side early last year. And
they were videotaping the Gangster Disciples or 4Corner Hustlers one of
the two, selling drugs, selling drugs, selling drugs, they ended up ___,
___, all these and Im like
Im watching this report and
Im like so maybe if you brought in the smoke youll catch the
fucking ___ were the mother fuckers down the street you know. No,
no. were looking at the drug dealer, well get them first.
Theyre not a concern. Well what so happened was that they did, they
had another camera that they didnt show to the public catching the
license plates and they were running the plates to see who it belonged
to. Oh shit its a bunch of people in this neighborhood. You cant
arrest people from DesPlains. You know theyre a bunch of rich white
folk that come out here to get their heroin. So what do we do? They did
nothing about it. They sent them letters in the mail, disguised, City
of Chicago Department of Events or something, confidential. They open
it it says at this day at this time we noticed that your vehicle was driving
through the west side of Chicago a very drug infested neighborhood that
were aware of and we assume that youre aware also that we
have you on tape buying narcotics. We would appreciate it if you would
not frequent this neighborhood for these purposes anymore. Thank you sincerely
so and so the Chicago Police Department. But everybody else get their
ass in jail. 30, 30, everybody gets 30 pieces in this fucking room. 30
piece, 30 years. And I was, Im on the phone talking to all the guys.
Yall saw that shit. Well you motherfuckers and were all bitching
about it. So we said make sure that everybody understands that its
a one side deal so you know tell everybody get off the fucking street
for now. So some people listened others didnt. well shit, late last
year they did a reverse sting on the buyers. They grabbed a house that
was frequented a lot. They took the drug dealers out, the cops stood out
in front. Yo. They drive up, itd be like car, ___ ___, walk up,
grab Chicago Police youre under arrest. Im like these fuckers
heard our conversation. Thats right. They did, didnt they,
I dont know. But its a move that they do to show us, you know,
oh you know, we can play the game. We know what you about. And its
cool. I dont have a problem with it, Im glad. Cause you, I
mean, you should have seen the expressions on these people. What? Me?
Like they were doing nothing wrong. Mother fucker get your ass in the
house. And people were fighting like no no what are you talking about
I dont know what youre talking. You dont know? Whats
that bag of heroin in your hand? Its not mine you gave it me. You
know. So its that type of thing and we see it all the time. You
know. Gangs see all the filth that this society throws out. Sometimes
I tell em its like were all in the alley watching everybody
toss the garbage out into the alley through the windows, knowing very
well that the city doesnt appreciate it. And they walk out the front
doors of their house and these fucking people throwing garbage out their
windows and they taking part in it. Any time you find yourself in a situation
with gangs, you gonna do a report on it, you gonna talk about it, you
have to go from a to z and see whats behind it and see whats
behind that, because the reality is, is that were not a bunch of
disorganized kids out on the corner selling drugs. I got here on the train
thats why I was here late. So I dont have the Beamer and Im
not this great big gang leader.. If I was shit. I wouldnt be talking
to you all. Id be somewhere warm. <laughter> screw this. But
Im not. Im not about that. And a lot of the guys. I did an
estimate of how much this one community had made in over 30 years. Cause
I said how long yall been drug dealing here? 30 years. All right.
30 years, lets say times 100 a day? Yeah a 100 bags a day, okay
cool. Did the math real quick. I forget the exact number but when I told
them I think it was like 12 million dollars in the last 30 years. 12 million
dollars? 12 million dollars in your hands dealing with that shit. Driving
that putt putt ___ car. You want happy you want ___ . and its funny
and I make fun of it with them to help them understand and come to the
realization of what are we doing. Hes right. 12 million dollars
and we surrendered. We should be pissed off. And its a lack of understanding
a lack of education and a lack of someone just being there saying you
can be somebody. you know these guys havent been told that they
could step out the box. Im sure most of you know what Im talking
about. Meaning get out of the box or inside of the box. No they havent
been told. Get the fuck out of here, its dark, get out, do something.
And they dont know that because they havent been told they
havent been shown that they can actually have that opportunity.
It might seem ridiculous but its true. Its absolutely true.
Its like going to one of the smaller islands on Fiji where people
still, you know, theyre still very native to their dress and everything,
then you tell them, you see this this thing right here. If you hold on
to this it will beep one of these days and someone will call you. Get
the fuck out of here, yeah right. Youre not gonna convince them
to buy a beeper cause they dont know. They havent been told.
Same thing with these communities. They havent been told that thye
could move ahead in life because every time theyve tried theyve
been told to get back. Get back and get further back and thats the
barrrier. Its to show them. I took a guy to New York maybe about
3 years ago, 1st time hes ever left the city of Chicago and he was
like 30 some years old. Cause hes never had the resources ___ ___.
He got to New York and hes like boy its a lot bigger than
any pictures. Today hes a different man. Hes a different man.
Hes going to school. It took a trip to New York for him to realize
that theres more to life than just Humboldt Park. Hes going
to school hes going to college, hes moving ahead. But hes
not gonna get anywhere he cant. you know and thats important.
We always tell people that you go to school cause you got to get out of
this neighborhood. Why you got to leave the neighborhood? To succeed.
You should be able to succeed in your own home right? Its like I
give you a house, or better yet a car, right? What kind of car is it?
A Ferrari. Imagine I give you a Ferrari, gassed up, ___ up, plant a girl
next to you but I dont give you the fucking keys. Its only
___ youre like oh god why wont it turn on? You know what Im
saying? And its the same concept. We have the school great but the
fucking books. You know? And thats the reality of that. I went through
that period when I had to share my books. I dont know how many of
you have gone through that before also but its kind of like you
know sitting there waiting okay its my turn to read. Oh okay now
its your turn. Its frustrating. I got moved out of my neighborhood
schools to a north side school which was predominantly white because we
were told that we would have better services. Well I went from a 4th grade
classroom to a 4th grade and because an asian girl transferred in they
moved me out of that class. There was no seat available. When she walked
in the teachers like we dont have a seat. And I was like boy
she burned up. Teacher does this <snap> get up. Me? Yeah get your
stuff, clean out your desk. Im like man what did I do? So I start
cleaning my stuff and everybody around me just put their heads down and
looked away and Im like Im being kicked out? What happened?
And then she made everybody move back so this asian chick could sit in
the front and Im like
I imagine dumping, moving out my desk
and dude in front of me is already sitting my seat and Im like Ill
see you after class. I walked to the end of the class and Im holding
onto my books and my book bag and Im like okay where am I getting
to sit and I asked her, I forget what her name was, where am I going to
sit? Well weve had a change of plans. Walk outside go down the hallway,
knocks on the door, Jacklyn, we have this young man here thats gonna
be in your classroom you know. Oh yeah, I know. I walk in and its
4th 5th 6th grade all in one classroom. Son of a bitch. Still got the
back seat. You know. And that was a really tough period. From there I
refused to learn. Refuse to learn. Fuck you. I aint doing my homework
I aint doing shit. Do I suffer from reprecussions from that period,
of course. Of course I did. And I still kind of refuse to go to college
cause I dont see a purpose in it. You have a purpose for it. I dont.
because I think Ive lived enough <tape side end>
Not just murderers who are not just drug dealers, we are people, we are
somebodys son. We are somebodys brother, we are somebodys
cousin, nephew, brother. And since I know Im gonna stay on that
track theres nothing this fucking building and this institution
can teach me. Nothing. Theres even a program that runs out of here
and they cant even do the work. They cant do street intervention
cause theyre like oh well well give em a basketball; theyll
give us the guns. <laughter> yeah thatll work. It worked in
Uganda it should do the work here. Okay. And thats their attitude.
Theres nothing that they can teach me about what I want to do. They
might help me be a little bit more articulate. Help me write a paper or
something. Great. Ill pick it up on the way. But in the meantime
this is what I want to do. And its a difficult thing to do and to
follow because ultimately what Im asking people to do it stick your
neck out or stick your chest out and take a bullet if it comes your way.
Because the only way were gonna solve the issue of violence in this
country is not by harming everybody and its not by putting everybody
in jail but its for fighting for the person thats next to
you. Cause the whole purpose of going up a ladder is not to get up there
and be hey! Its nice from up here! Its not. Its to go
up 2 steps and pull someone up, go up 2 and pull somebody up. Thats
the process of going up a ladder, (cant understand) is to help those
that cannot help themselves. You pull whatever __. If you cant do
that, youre not willing to hear what Im trying to say, you
can show me all the quantum physics you want dont complain about
it in the future. Cause its useless. Its like walking around
with a rock in your shoe. Saying oh it will, itll come out when
I take my shoe off tonight before I go to bed. Itll come out. You
know. And if you never get home, youre still walking around, dont
complain about it. You can stop and do something about it now. Dont
complain about it later on in the day. Say aw my feet are so sore I got
this fucking rock in my shoe. You know. Thats your fault. Dont
complain about it. And thats where were at now. And were,
street organizations are trying to move ahead, be a little bit more positive
on things. And its a hard thing to do cause now we have to convince
the other kids of whats happened to us and try, you know when we
have this huge influence of hip hop, I dont even call it hip hop
just urban music. Where you got JZ and Master P and all these fucking
idiots you know saying its all about the money. Bull shit. Half
that shit that they show on TV aint even theirs. Its all on
lend you know. And thats the reality of it. But these kids dont
see that they just see somebody damn not only does he got women around
him. He got all types of jewerly, cars, money, all that. Im going
right there and they do it. And they do it all day every day. How do I
compete against that you tell me? Well you know youd be better off
if you went to school, picked up a job at an urban camp and work your
way up. Work my way up? Selling drugs at halfway places, (cant understand)
its a hard thing to compete with. Cause were competing against
an American society of only the strong survive. And that having money
people see as strength. And thats what, you know, if Im gonna
survive I gotta go there. And in that process we lose people. And Im
telling you, anybody live in Brighton Park? Or work in Brighton Park?
Okay. Brighton Park they had a community meeting 900 people showed
up. Oh thats a lot, thats great. Whatd you do with those
900 folks? Well they came to complain about the gang problem in front
of the school. Okay thats a good issue. And? Well we told the police
they have to do something about it. 900 people expect 2 armed individuals
to rid the gang situation in front of a school. Dont you think thats
kind of stupid? You can get 900 people together, concerned about 1 issue,
you would think that you could get at least, 50 people out of that crowd
to do something about it. To say you know what, Im gonna stay after
this Im gonna find out who that kind Vomit is. Meet I know mother.
Maybe we go to church together, maybe we work together. Maybe theres
a problem at home. No we want the guys go beat his ass, arrest him, and
take him to jail for whatever. Disorderly conduct. Thats the regular
charge for it. You cant rely on that. Because then when things happen
blame yourself. When that kid dies on the corner, blame yourself. I blame
myself everyday when things happen. I get very upset. Im like I
should have been there I should have done this I should have done that.
But I cant save the world by myself. I need other people to say
oh okay these are actually human beings theyre not from planet gang
banger. You know. And we cant give up on our kids. If we decide
to do that then dont waste your time. Dont waste your time
being a social worker or a police officer because it just frustrates the
situation and I hate to think that Im gonna have to get to some
point where Im gonna say all right guys arm yourself cause we going
after the cops. And that would be a huge mess. I hope I dont get
into trouble for saying that. But thats the reality of things. It
gets to the points and were
kids just get frustrated and say
fuck this. You know? You watch little kids long enough, you see that they
get pissed off, whats the first thing they do? They break their
own toys usually. I slammed my phone. Ive gone through so many cell
phones. Quite a few times, arguing with gang leaders. Fuck you! You know.
Damn shit why did I break own phone. 200 dollar phone. You know. And thats
our nature. We self destruct. We get to a point of frustration and we
self destruct. You know. And we need to learn how to address that. Im
gonna end it there.