S: How yall doing this evening?
. would you to be on
your bed at home, on the TV or just laying down. I would. But I would
I rushed here and ran into a maze. You know trying to come down Taylor
St.? Thinking I could take short cut over here and ran around into all
those dead ends and another dead end and another dead, till I decided
to go through alleys. Then the alleys had dead ends <laughter> Im
going back home. So I left the son and the grandson at home. Yeah Im
a grandfather even though I dont look like it. 7 year old grandson
and they was like what we gonna eat? My daughter put her head in there
and said dont worry, and then he crying cause they dont like
her cooking. So I got an issue I gotta face when I get home. Its
more than an honor being here tonight. Anywhere I can go to share my insight
on gangs, its more than an honor. As Mr. McFarland mentioned I had
some involvement myself with street gangs.
I came to Chicago in 1963 from Cleveland, Ohio. I was 9 years old and
believe it or not in Cleveland I was tied into a little block street gang.
9 years old. We did things like running in stores and snatch the ice cream.
We did things like threw rocks at guys on the next block. So I was kinda
like coming into poverty stricken area and we had to do things like my
father lived in Chicago and me and my mother and my 6 brothers and sisters
we live in Cleveland and so we didnt have too much. And so we kinda
get off just like the average gang member gets called up. In a poverty
stricken area just trying to survive.
Coming to Chicago I met my crew in Chicago. Right in
. Met my little
crew and we running around on the street and we did things like going
in and out of stores. I learned how to pick pockets by the age of 10 years
old. You know we would have the people waiting to cross streets, you know
women have those big pockets and they have theyre wallets in them.
So we learned how to you know help her with her groceries and go in her
pockets and get her wallet out at the same time. We learned how to play
the til at the time. You know going through the grocery store, we were
so small we go through grocery stores and we would you know cash registers
up, you know I hit that thing and it opened up. You know its called
playing the til you get to mine the cash. And we learned how to do those
types of games at 10/11 years old.
In fact then it had those buses with the electric tables to them coming
out Western, coming out of the ___ , down this road. And you had to have
a buddy to s___ em. We used to put em and you know the bus couldnt
move, when the bus driver got off we played this game when we got on in
front there and thered be little pouches being where they put the
money in. They didnt have what you have today. The little green
pouches you put the dollars in there, you put the coins in, where you
we would steal that. So these kinds of games we played. And
sometimes school wasnt too __ cause when some people had new school
clothes and we didnt have no school clothes and our feet were burning
from the hot ground because we had cardboard in our gym shoes. So we played
this game, we ditched school where the little one was running in the cleaners
and the big one would follow him in and then later wed try to break
somebody else and we would sneak in and hit the cash register and steal
the wallet out of the purse. These were the kind of games we played. And
then we would get in trouble in the evening when we came home with new
clothes and new pants and my mother would wonder where you getting that
All right. And about the time I was maybe 13 thats when I really
did it and got involved in a major street gang on the West Side
Vice Lords. How we got involved is pretty much
it had a lot to do
with racism. It had a lot to do with racism. Back in 1967 we were one
of the first black families that moved right over Cicero and Jackson,
it was predominantly white neighborhood. So we had to fight and go to
school, fight and play. But if you know anything about that area even
today Columbus Park was the nearest swimming pool. 5500 West. And the
next swimming pool was Garfield Park right off of Hamlin and close to
Madison, near Lake St. So we were caught between Columbus Park or Garfield
Park. Columbus was a little closer. We had to go through the neighborhood
to get to school. So we had to fight white guys to get in, we had to fight
these white guys to get back and so some guys in the neighborhood, realizing
me and my crew we had enough courage to go swimming. So they would claim
us just to go swimming.
Now as time went on, whites started moving out and blacks started moving
in and at that time they had what they called the Cicero Vice Lords. These
were guys 17 and 18 and we were 12, 13, some 14 years old. And one day,
they chased us, and I went to the ___ running. And they caught me. And
they told me I couldnt go until I boxed this guy named Freddy Fly.
Freddy Fly was about 17 years old, had a reputation as a two time golden
glove champion. And this Freddy Fly was short so he was our height but
he was older than us. So they told me I cant leave until I boxed
Freddy Fly. So me and Freddy fly got to boxing. I got a little comfortable.
.And so the other guys on the sidelines they say oh <cant understand>
He said yeah he try it again Im gonna knock him out. So now I got
stick but keep in mind my father was a pro fighter. My father was a professional
fighter. So I grew up with gloves on. I could speed bagging it, jump rope
I could do all that till I was 10, 11 years old. And so I realized this
Freddy aint what I thought he is. So I said no, I open a ___ ___.
I hit a boxers down, right. Call it my pride, we ran.
So maybe two days later we were still on our corner, right over on Verne
and Gladice. And they surround the corner, about 40, looked like a 100
of them but there were really about 40, they surrounded us. Now we 12,
13 and they 17, 18 and they said who yall Chief? And everybody looked
right at me and that scared me to death. Now some of these guys I was
running with I was even intimidated by. So they said well you guys gotta
come to this meeting at
.. Church, its a church over here
A business meeting, a Vice Lord meeting, be there. So we discussed
it now, we need to come up with a name. What kind of name we gonna come
up with? Back then they had a cologne called Apache, and they had these
Apache scarfs they was wearing then, and one of the guys, Big Frank said
we gonna be Apaches. Yeah Apaches. And then one of the guys said why dont
we be Apache Vice Lords, ____ the ___. So we ended up going to the rosters
as part of the Vice Lord Nation.
And I was one of the youngest recognized gang chiefs of that Vice Lord
Nation. Vice Lords considered to be a Nation cause theres different
groups all over the city and thats what made them what they consider
a Nation. And I didnt realize then what I was getting into. Now
keep in mind this was the era of the civil rights movement and Id
never really heard of racism and discrimination and Jim Crow laws and
all those things. But Id experienced it hand on when I was looking
back in retrospect. Been called to help these people with their groceries
and help them move cars out of snow and get called a lot of names that
hurt wondering why it was so. And then wed get more involved with
them and we started realizing they were actually doing some things for
our market in the neighborhood, trying to mine the prostitutes off Cicero,
trying to, one guy was trying to sell drugs out the neighborhood. They
was doing some things but we were too young to appreciate that.
So as time went on me and my crew we ended up, through the youth commission,
Im at the same time of the commission when I was 15 and when I got
out of there, being the first of my set down high through em from off
a set that aint nobody heard of. They heard of
but they never heard of Cicero. So I kind of had to stand
up for myself. And I just kind of paved the way for those coming behind.
And thats how I pretty much served my time. Im gonna make
a difference between serving time and making time serving.
So as I got older and I finally came out of St. Charless at 17,
I did 2 years there. Come out at 17 and wasnt out 2 weeks when I
go to County Jail. Gang affiliate and this went on till I finally went
to the prison, went to the joint. At 19. I went to the joint at 19. And
I didnt come home till I was 27 years old. And the last 3 years
of that did, this is what I got the hardest, ___ __ talk about how I was
once charged with 15 counts of murder, 2 attempted murder mob action.
And this stemmed from a prison riot in 1978,
. Prison. Some of you
probably read about it, heard about it. And when this riot broke and they
shut us down, and they came maybe months later we were still on dead lock.
They came about ___ state doing an institutional transfer. And when I
got on that bus being transferred from Pontiac to Stateville and when
I seen every high ranking chief in that prison on that bus, and me myself
as a high ranking chief in that prison at that time. I knew then that
we were getting in bad and we got shipped from Pontiac to Stateville and
they kept us at Stateville and they just brought the death penalty back
to Illinois, in 77, this 78. They had just brought the death penalty
back so they housed us on death row. And we were on death row. And we
stayed on death row 3 years fighting this case.
And I can say that was my alma mater right there, the courtroom. I remember
stepping in that court room and we had 10 thousand pages of discovery
material, thats the evidence they have against you. 10000 pages
of discovery material and because I was an 8th grade dropout with limited
education I couldnt understand what I was reading and in that courtroom
I couldnt comprehend the dialogue that was going in that courtroom
that was real frightening. So while we had to do that and go back to that
tier, we were on, and we had become brothers for real. We had to look
past each others opposition.
One thing left us, ___ ___ the honorable Louis Farrikhan had come to visit
us. And he told us something that brought us together. He said a conspiracy
is not right now in that courtroom, the conspiracy happened over 400 years
ago in slavery. When they taught black men not to trust each other. And
here it is 400 years later you guys still dont trust each other
and looking each other as opposition so yall gonna have to change.
So that stuck with us, so we kind of had to throw our flags off. We had
to become brothers for real, now that ___ brotherhood of ___ came about.
And we made some history. Where if you spend time in the county jail they
didnt have phones on your tier. We demanded right to have access
to our attorneys. We get a phone put on our tier. So they made it retroactive,
they put it on all the tiers throughout the county jail. So we made some
So as time went on I got acquitted on that case and I came home. Was out
maybe 5 months and went back again. Cause I couldnt handle being
out at 27 years old. Been gone since I was 19. I was never really prepared
to come back to society. Name all in the papers, your whole city up in
an uproar, brothers waiting for me to come home, looking for my leadership.
I couldnt help em out. I ended up back in the prison 5 months later.
Back in the State. And I really called going to Stateville being in segregation
and going, seeing a book on a bed. And it was the autobiography of Malcolm
X. I took that book and just threw it in a corner. Cause I preferred not
to make life even ___ matters. And I was bored, two months later, interestingly
I was bored and I picked that book up and turned to the part where it
said, Malcolm X became frustrated cause he couldnt comprehend what
he was reading and that caught my attention so I went to the front of
the book and I read the whole book. And when I think it might have saved
me I gave it to another person. I was older, I wasnt a young buck
no more. I was 30 years old and I started realizing I hadnt seen
a year outside since 1968 and this was 1983 Im talking about. And
I thought about all those young guys in Stateville at that time that was
behind me and running my __. And I brought it cause we had a board now
to go to.
The street gangs in Chicago are controlled from the prisons, theres
no leadership out here. The leadership is in the prisons and we had this
board, this committee and the committee consisted of a head from each
sector, the different branches. And with us the Vice Lords one of the
highest honors you can get is called the Old Man. You were like the head
of this board and I became the Old Man. And I started thinking in terms
of when I first came to prison there was some fear of what prison would
be like and I made my mind up that I was not to get victimized so I premeditated
violence constantly. Out of fear. So my position was to take all the weapons
from these young guys and force them to seek council from us older guys
before they act out of fear. To cut down on some of these unneccesary
violence. I also felt like these young guys shouldnt be mopping
the floors and working in the kitchen that they should be in school. So
we started flooding the school with these young guys trying to get enrolled
but the GE class can only hold so many; it had a year long waiting list.
You had to be on a year to be enrolled. We talk about the east county
with this. And so the administration get wind of this and I became a threat
to the administration. Cause the Vice Lords we had as part of our oath
that we would serve our time constructively that for on our release we
could become a productive member of our community. That was one of the
oaths we took and being part of the Vice Lords it gave me a first understanding
of our cause.
You probablyve seen Vice Lords with the ___ ___ and the two half
moons, and the 5 point star, you probably something simple. What those
__ means the two half moons represented one nation of people that has
been divided into two. The one on the left represent our people over in
the east in Africa. The one over on the right represents us here, __ wants
us go back. Cause we one nation and we broke away from our true heritage
over there. This is why Vice Lord brothers
. And that 5 point
star represent the true nature of man. For every man is seeking for love,
peace, freedom, justice, and equality in his life. But also man must give
into his trouble, that man retrogressive knows the 5 points of the law,
the <cant understand> and this is why a lot of Vice Lords
are getting killed, are in jail, are strung out on drugs, they gonna deviate
from Gods laws, through the nature of man. So just being a part
of that gave me my personal understanding of my culture. And as I got
older it started making some sense and I was on a road, I was in a position
where I could get something done with the guys. This is what I started
to do and what it did is that led to breaking off from the mob.
Cause my position was we got good teachings but we practicing gang behavior.
So that caused me to back off. And the __ was shocked, I said Im
through with all of this. I didnt realize being the best for my
__ is. So when you go back into Stateville think you seen they probably
talk about ___ ___ you gotta understand LSD. It was a coalition, a citywide
coalition right here in Chicago called LSD. The Vice Lords, the Stones
and the Disciples formed one of the first street coalition, street gang
coalitions ever in this city. And Fred Hampton who was the head of the
Black Panther party, the Illinois chapter Black Panther party played a
role in that. So they showed them brothers some of the power they had,
how they could utilize their power, how they could push people in office,
how they could get grant money ___ and how they became legitimate and
not for profit organization.
See the Vice Lords became Conservative Vice Lord Corporation. They incorporated.
501 ___. At distance. And Fred Hampton because he was kinda like the mastermind
and intertwined with all of that there, he became a threat, this is why
I believe he was assassinated. Fred Hampton wasnt killed, he was
assassinated by states attorney Hanrahan at that time. And the Chicago
Police Department. And keep in mind if you look back in that, there were
gang violence kind of ceased. Second David Jr. ____ get involved with
the Disciples or the Blackstone Rangers on the south side and they going
they go opportunity knocked. Theres clickers of tapes of Blackstone
Rangers being introduced on the ___
. Show. Gang violence kinda
ceased. On the West Side they formed what they call Operation Bootstrap.
When the Vice Lords and the Gypsy Cobras and they
..wanted to get
compensated. And they were clearly bringing brothers in there for purchases
and they were provide job opportunities and trainers for them.
And first they had Tastee Freeze you know where
. back in 68. And
the Old Man (Mayor Daley) at that time called War against street gangs.
When you have 25 gangs tallying it all through Chicago, we have beaten
over 300. He declared war. Right. There was a senator back then
his name McClellan, something like that. He wanted to do an investigation
on the street gangs and the programs that they had, about the efficiency
of these programs and moved to discontinue any government funds that support
them. So that kind of helped the brothers out there, they had became dependent
on these funds from these programs and now that was taken from them. So
what you saw putting together a new trend of being gang members getting
locked up in a big part of the 60s and if youre doing the
research you see Winston
went to the floor of the Cook Country
Jail at that time. He inspired a new type of ambition an African
American gang was ___ and for the first time of this kind gangs
So they wanted to do like
. how many Blackstone Rangers gonna run
through here, how many Disciples you gonna, how many Vice Lords were here?
Those were the three major street gangs in Chicago at that time. And as
time went on they start filtering into Stateville. And gang violence I
think deceased in your early 70s. You didnt get too much of
that. It all went behind the wall. But they was claiming turf in prisons.
In 1974 a riot broke out in the Stateville prison B House. . Lt. Burger
got killed. And three brothers got indicted after that but after they
came, then the brothers came together and they said hey man we need to
pull it together. So they reactivated LSD behind the walls under a new
name Project ABLE. Adult Basic Learning Enterprise. And this consisted
of the independent white inmates, hispanic inmates, a representative of
each street organization and they became like a liaison between the administation
and the prison population. So gang riots ceased in prison. And out of
that they formed what you called a universal law. These were laws to govern
everybody. To respect each other. Cause we all have to live and occupy
the same space. A code of conduct. You probably hear about different street
gangs got their own limits? Well they brought, they pulling it from the
universal law, the code of conduct and got your own identity, see?
Now we moving into the time of Superintendent Reed at Stateville who met
with that committee and found out who they represent and discontinued.
So there was no communicating between the inmate population and the administration
and things got crazy again. And then started being about riots and being
in prisons because there was no communication. So if theyd listened
to the theme of when gangs try to come together, do some good themselves,
just if someone in the field. See? We talk about things like the ___ ___
___ each other this program, where they infiltrate organizations that
are rising up, theyre better than the commissions or the community
of the people. They then would lock us up, they did it with Malcolm X,
and Elijah Muhammed. They did it with Martin Luther King. They did it
with Black Panther Party. They did it with the street gangs back then
and they still doing it today. Its not a coincidence if you stand
on the corner, bunch of four corner hustlers stand out there, the police
pull up with a load of Insane Vice Lords in the back seat and just pull
over. And drop them brothers two blocks away and come right back and bust
that whole block and get ___ out of that corner. They did set them up.
They was coming for em anyway. We talk about aggravation, we talk about
people that agitate situations, keep this going, cause they need this
to the work
What yall brothers think you recognize that?
From the year 1977 there was only 5 prisons in Illinois Stateville
was boot camp really. You went to
. St boys court you probably got
6 months in boot camp, in
.. Now theres over 35 prisons in
Illinois. Thats saying something. That Ida home used to be on the
little corner of Arlan and Roosevelt, now its like a University.
<laughter> thats saying something. But then when you look
around all those prisons, you talk about going past real counter ___ where
all youre prisons at. So these guys over here in the city gets ___
in black to come over here in the city they go to prison down in southern
Illinois, its a whole different culture. Most of their time is fighting
just to get to stay. And open up the chapel at John Edwards and say dont
serve time, make time serve you a lot of good just serving time. So they
coming out, theyre not prepared.
So here we are in the 2 year 2000 and gangs have gotten ridiculous. These
young guys come into a agency. I want you to understand time is changed.
But ask yourself questions like how can these young guys get hold of the
ammunition that even the Chicago Police Department cant get a hold
of? We talking about reject weapons from the army. These guys getting
. knives and things, I mean weapons they use in the
army that they dont sell in gun stores. How are they able to get
a hold of that? Sound like a conspiracy to me. You never heard of big
drug busts from the shores of Chicago. Drugs dont just come here
through the black and hispanic community. They come by way of these suburbs.
Talk about conspiracy, another tip lies in subtracting it with groups
of other aggregate groups that said were needed in your community
because itll sell faster than mine. Its because of my agency
and I brought into that no problem. I felt like somebody. Im talking
about first hand experience. Because I knew I could make that happen.
And I know that we meet guys in jail and we protect them. And then we
may not get out but when they get out we could send somebody by them to
look out for them, now they take care of em while we in jail, we keep
that relationship going. And these are the guys that dont give such
an industry in Chicago, theyre in the suburbs. So the focus is on
the guy in the corner. Not the guy, not the source. So they need the guy
from the corner to keep these ____ ___ in the conspiracy.
And young people need to hear that. That they bag you for it. I always
say those southern Illinois farmers they got a new crop called
the inmate. They have political wars over whose little town will get a
prison in it because prisons is big business now. But these young brothers
need to hear this you know? A lot of guys you talk with return home and
even prison life is just
it used to in time you had to read, to
entertain yourself so you could develop your mind. Now they dont
mind you having a cell with a tv running and earphones on to the radio
and you having a conversation with a guy down on the alley; he could use
you going on. And you confide his let you come out here hey why? The kind
of deal hell set up is just like when you look at society, overcrowded
conditions. One of those tiers is no bigger than this little auditorium
here. And around the cells. One tier up they have to satisfy an eight
person alley. Gonna cause conflict. Four benches to satisfy 8 bodies.
Conflict. 4 toilets. Conflict. 4 showers. They set up to keep conflict
and tension so when its time to go to court, youve havent
had time to prepare for his case, he spend most of his time just trying
And when you come down here in these streets, underneath your ___ you
look at how the same __ our people ___, even today when I look at there
theres not one place set up to hire ten fathers at one time. Not
one place set up to hire 10 fathers at one time. When you look at Cicero
and Jackson the first block is 4800 West on Cicero. Thats a double
block between Cicero and the Laverne, 48, 49 all in one. But if you look
at the last address there in 4800 block its 4859. So its clear
theres 49 --buildings on that one block. And most of those buildings
are two flats, some three flats. So if you really cram you can get 118
families on one block but theres not one place thats set to
hire 10 fathers. And we wonder why our unemployment rate is so high. Some
guys minds is not equipped to deal with racism and discrimination
and when they try to leave that little box to go seek employment and theyre
facing discrimination basically theyre forced back into the box
and try to survive the best way they came.
It was Malcolm X that said if you have a poor neighborhood youre
going to go to a poor school. And when you go to a poor school you gonna
get a poor education and that poor education enables you to work a poor
paying job. And that poor paying job enable you to live back in the poor
community and you see generation after generation doing it.
And Im sure yall went into some histories about your immigrants
were mostly your gangs. That right? Keep in mind blacks were enslaved
in the early 15, 16, 1700s. Blacks were enslaved. It was the African
slaves, blacks became the new immigrant. Migrating from the south to the
north. So they had to battle other ethnic groups that were considered
minorities in this country. Fighting over jobs. That caused racial tension
and because black normally move in a neighborhood occupied by another
ethnic group, blacks had to band together just to check themselves. That
kind of gave birth to gangs in a black neighborhood. When you look at
the youth authorities. They were conducted by the other ethnic groups,
those street gangs. And when blacks start drifting in inside their youth
authorities they had to band together to protect themselves. The Vice
Lords came about in the 1957 in the St John Youth
where they started in the St. John Youth
. You know when you look
at the Blackstone Rangers. You look at the Disciples. All them guys was
in the youth
. Those heads that started those street coalition were
in the youth
... Now that they older they in these prisons. Leadership
is always been inside the prison.
But the thing you hear when you hear about gangs and how gangs form is
poverty and racism. Rranz Fanon, in his book Wretched of the Earth, he
talked about how when you have a group of people thats being oppressed,
you have a oppressor and you have an oppressed. The oppressed try all
means to fight back but they find their way is useless and ineffective.
So what happens, the oppressed take on the techniques of the oppressor
to fight back and what happens is the oppressor who is out of the picture
and then the oppressed use those same techniques on his own people. And
Ive seen it over and over and over. When we were young, we fought
black guys to go to
... To go to school. And when the whites moved
out of the hood we turned and looked at the new brothers coming in and
got them ___. When we had to fight whites to go to school and go swimming,
then turned those same techniques we used to fight those white guys we
end up turning against these other guys. We changed our name from Apache
then we became Insane Vice Lords. We became Insane Vice Lords. Wasnt
my homies ___ he couldnt spell it he put it ink on the wall. <laughter>
After that we became a
___ and I remember one night we were coming from a basketball game and
a guy sighted us. And he was ___ ____. And I asked one of the guys, well
what they think they have one of them four corner hustlers and they was
on the other side of the valley. So our plan was the next day to go there
and retaliate. So we went over across Madison and we whopped at every
guy we ran into cause that was our style, whopping and making you join
us and all this. And so we went over there and terrorized the other side
nicely. Few days later I run into a guy and he said, what are you ___
and they were both from the hustlers. And they were brown ___ ___ and
Vice Lords wore gold. Said if you gonna be a Vice Lord you gotta get rid
of them brown pants you got there, pick up your gold. And you gotta come
up under the name Vice Lords. So they became 4 corner hustler Vice Lords.
When you looked at the gangs that you see today, they all derived from
those 3 Vice Lords, Stones and Disciples. When you look at the
Disciples you had what you called the Black Disciples, the Devil Disciples,
Disciples, Satans Disciples, you know these were Disciples.
And then you have the Blackstone Rangers had different groups like Cobra
Stones, Gangster Stones, as a matter of fact the Gangster Stones pretty
much lived in a Disciple neighborhood around 67, 68, with Halstead where
the Gangster Stones were. And they felt so much friendship from the Disciples
around there so they told Jeff Fort now, hey we need to break away from
this because we get friendship here so they wanna become Disciples so
they became Gangsters. They became High Supreme Gangsters.
And at the time __ united and they became Black Gangster Disciple Nation.
All right? And then when King David died, who was the head of the Disciples,
some older Disciples dont want to honor the head of the Gangsters,
they said no we gonna break off and that gave birth to the Black Disciples.
And some of them okay were gonna break off from that and they gave
birth to the Gangsters Disciples but some guys wanted to remain unified
and said we gonna be Black Gangster Disciples so it got crazy. And a lot
of help to you know which way to go a guy could get hurt cause they didnt
know who to choose cause they come in later on than what had happened
and they didnt know who they wanted to honor as theyre king.
And then when you look at the Blackstone Rangers you get here from that..
you heard of Mickey Cobras? Well that was once the Cobra Stones but when
Mickey Cobb went down they given honors to Mickey Cogwell they became
Mickey Cobras in honor of Mickey Cogwell there. And then you had the Blackstone
Rangers that were originally and then they change their name to El Rukns,
Boys of America, and then the old guys wanted to keep their dignity they
became Ancient Stones. So you see different groups came out of that group
the Stones. And then with the Vice Lords the Conservative Vice
Lord nation you get Unknown Vice Lords, Insane Vice Lords, and I could
just go on and on and on. Imperial Vice Lords, come up in my neighborhood.
And whats happening nowadays there is no more nations. Aint
no more nations. Cause you got Gangster Disciples killing all other Gangster
Disciples. Theres a thing called outlawing going on now. Some of
these guys got a big old cross over their arms its got outlaw down
the center. Maybe they outlaws for real but you make youre a Gangster
Disciple but you dont respect certain Gangster Disciples. You may
be a Vice Lord with that outlaw on but he dont respect certain Vice
Lords. Thats what this outlaw thing going on. The majority of the
young guys in prison now for killing or shooting you can guarantee 90%
of them is with his own. The average Vice Lord in prison for shooting
and killing somebody he done killed and shot another Vice Lord. The average
Gangster Disciple in prison is down there cause he shot another Gangster
Disciple. Because of the conditions. Because of the conditions.
Drugs is the center of this. These drug wars going cause they give em
to each other and a lot of em get strung out on it and they vow they know
laws. The way this is set up now if you follow a certain mob and you selling
a certain product or even a drug you cant use that drug. And if
you get caught using that drug youre in violation. And a lot of
these guys are using these drugs and its causing conflict within
their own circle. And that keep repeating itself and its causing
a lot of unnecessary killings see? And this is what youre seeing.
Guys like me gonna have to change. Keep from being initiated. I dont
know how to take it. On one hand its been over 18 years since Ive
been incarcerated it did a lot. With my mind. And I try to reach out to
young guys, the police want to lock me to a deal down my past. Man I didnt
get a school, I didnt get a degree, I can work a job, I can run
program. I just walked off a job that I was the head of the program over
12 years. One of the largest drug agencies in this state.
Did I mention, I ran a criminal justice program
. Did a good
job. Did a lot of workshops, trained as well. Illinois Department of Corrections
they had us drill newcomers every year. I was one of their main presenters
that they would call. Out there ___ for the Army, got national even civil
institute. Ive done training, San
, ___ California. Last year
the head of ___ ___ for Bill Johnson said they would have to come and
hes motivating on a ___. Prison down there wanted me to be a keynote
speaker. The warden clearly but two days before the ___ said man they
wont let you in because you a bad mother. And that was when they
. over 18 years. And the Feds has had a contract with St John Youth
Commission that they wanted to open a drug unit inside the Youth Commission.
My heart fluttered. I wouldnt do this. I spent two years down there.
I want to go and do some good for these young guys. So they put me as
part of this team and go down do a cross training with the criminal staff
and the correction officers. Its supposed to be an 8 week training.
The 3rd week they ___ the extra gates and said you cant come back
in because youre background. So its hard on guys like me.
And see Im not gonna let that stop me cause I know my aim and purpose
I know God spared me to be a message to you today. I know Im giving
you raw facts something you aint really got, some the facts you
down ___, some of em not really survive. Im saying some things and
Im callling the experience of things right today as a father, as
a husband, as a grandfather. Today I do consultant work. But I always
get this thing, I __ see calls me <cant understand> I would
have <cant understand> and one in Aurora. My name came up
they want me down to do this presentation. And I had to remind them that
we have to check this out with your boss cause Im an ex-convict.
And now theyre nervous. <laughter> I think you know where
it went wrong with me in that and where my life begins. You know this
is why I look at society, people tripping. Because they could serve their
time and head back to society. I been paying a debt for the longest. But
I aint tired. It just energizes me because they are my fight. It
energized me, gave me something to fight. And then when I try to rally
all the men in Operation Bush, trying to rally all the ex-offenders thats
been out over 10 years and finally got some credibility now and maybe
we could fight for the rights of ex-offenders that we not get doors shut
in our faces. Even though weve been out of the system over 10 years
and doing some things. A lot it look like, __ cant dispose of an
ex-offender __. I blew my top. I might even lose my marriage. So you cant
win. But its exciting to me cause Im gonna fight, Im
getting ___. __ ___. But I know as I stand before you, been a coordinator
of a program
..going to school at the end of the ___.
Im paving the way for that young guy that comes behind me. Thats
in the hiding hole right now. Mobster says sure he can get high on this.
So I pay you fair. So the Mobster says this is bigger than me and this
is how I look at it. Mobster says this is bigger than me. What I do is
not for me. Its for those coming behind me and this is what I stand
for. On the end, then Ill take some questions now.<applause>
Student question <cant hear>
S: I believe the inmates have first hand insight on the commissions than
the average one of you out there. How many of you all know that the world
underground at 26 and California? That you can go in their courtroom and
go underground and come out way on 31st and Sackview. A lot of people
in society dont know this. The society under the ground. Inmates
have first hand experience. How many of you know that a lot of the drugs
you see today, I experienced in prison years ago? Cause they use prison
as places that, they use inmates as guinea pigs. Inmates when you hear
about riots, they fight for causes. Brothers in have told me, two of you
on the yard, <cant understand> said look, brothers down here
die to make it possible for you to get a full course meal. When they were
given one scoops of bean and a piece of bread probably had a roach in
the middle. Them brothers fought for better conditions in those prisons
and they would check your brother if they become ___ __. Throw a basketball
and drop race. They had to fight to get those things. Werent gonna
give em to them. The riot in ___ prison in 78 it was a direct result of
the inhumane conditions and its already <cant understand>
Then they riot cause of your waste. The director Todd Warton at that time
got fired cause he didnt want to recant his statement that that
riot was a year late and were ___ because of the inhuman conditions
that the inmates are living up under. And because now you want to scapegoat
the gains for the riot, they couldnt use that statement and fired
___ ___ ___. So yeah I say inmates should have a right to vote. It is
not a ___ to scope. Its about conditions. These riots you hear about
it aint cause those guys just want to riot. Its about conditions.
I mean look at this. Those same people you send to prison are the same
people thats gonna one day come home from prison. Let me see the
person in this audience that doesnt have not one person in your
family thats not been to prison for the ___. One person has got
no have no family thats never been to jail.